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留学参考:Handicapping Your Elite MBA Odds (20170719, Part 2/2)  

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留学参考:Handicapping Your Elite MBA Odds (20170719, Part 2/2)
 

BY: JOHN A. BYRNE & SANDY KREISBERG ON JULY 19, 2017

 

 

Ms. Accounting

  • 740 GMAT
  • 3.7 GPA
  • Undergraduate degree in accounting fro the University of Macau
  • 3.88 GPA (Master’s)
  • Master’s degree in accounting from Wake Forest University
  • Work experience includes two years in audit for Deloitte, where she is a top 5% performer leading a team of eight that specializes in private equity, venture capital, and hedge funds; also assists family in operating a management software & consulting company
  • Goal: To work for McKinsey & Co. as a consultant or to gain a job in investment management
  • 24-year-old Asian female, born in China and came to U.S. four years ago for school

Odds of Success:

Columbia: 30% to 40%
Wharton: 30%
Chicago: 40%
Northwestern: 40%

Sandy’s Analysis: How does someone from Deloitte audit maybe, just maybe, thread the needle and get into Wharton or even Harvard Business School? That is the question your profile raises.

What we have here is a solid candidate with a 3.7 GPA from the University of Macau in accounting (a solid local-ish university but not feeder school, see detailed footnote)*** and a master’s in accounting from Wake Forest with a 3.88 GPA.

We also got a 740 GMAT!

And we got this job, “Deloitte Audit, New York Office (2 years), top 5% performer, leading senior for a team of eight, specialized in private equity, venture capital, and hedge funds.”

Let’s summarize the standard wisdom of this thread for years about the so-called Big 4 accounting and consulting firms  [EY, Deloitte, Price Waterhouse and KMPG] as viewed by the adcoms of leading USA business schools.

1. Those firms do both strategy consulting and auditing. In general, you are better in strategy consulting because adcoms view that as more selective than accounting and audit.

2. To the extent you work for a Big 4 in Europe or Asia, those jobs are considered more selective for recent college grads (aka, B-school applicants) than the same jobs in USA.

3. Many highly-selective U.S. business schools use the Big-4 as a source of high-potential URM candidates and there is a running set of stories in consulting circles (based on fact!!!) of the black woman Big-4 admit to Stanford GSB which at one point happened like for six years in a row and still may be true.

This famous black woman is not to be confused with a running fib in admission director circles, when speaking for public consumption — as they did in a moderated circle jerk sponsored by Poets and Quants recently in San Francisco — that “anyone can get into Stanford, etc. we look at the whole holistic story.” (I paraphrase).

All that being said, enter this candidate, who on the slim facts given, is not a URM (although a Chinese woman who came to the U.S. four years ago for school) and  was a no-nonsense accounting major. Accounting is evidently not the seeming joke in China that it is in the USA and is actually an acceptable career there vs. hot jobs here of being an indy record producer, start-up food fashionista, or trend visionary, that one meets in the USA. Many of whose practitioners often find themselves applying, lo and behold, to business school after several years, years which did not, in fact, call up on the skills of, ahem, accountants in running those fledgling businesses  . . . for several reasons, lack of revenue being perhaps #1.

While an accountant, you developed an expertise in “private equity, venture capital, and hedge funds . . . .”  Your goals are McKinsey or investment management.

Sounds like down-to-earth goals to me just as the entire profile is down to earth and accomplished at every turn.

We also have this peek into your background: “Assisted family in operating a management software & consulting company.”

I’d say Wharton could go for the rock-solidness of it, despite the fact that Wharton, like most top-X schools, does not have a long list of non-URM admits from non-Euro Big 4 accounting firms who actually do, duh, audit.

The fact you chose accounting in the first place, the fact you pursued that with a master’s in the U.S., and then worked for a leading accounting firm in accounting is actually refreshing. And your goals are perfect for someone with that background, and does require (for the most part) an MBA.

It is an interesting side-question if McKinsey would hire a young accountant without an MBA on the theory that MBAs don’t know anything of any value besides accounting, if they know that. So like, let’s just cut out the middle man MBA program and get right to the chase.

I could see you having a good, albeit outside, chance at HBS, especially with some interesting execution explaining how you have been influenced by growing up with a family business in China, studying at Macau, and your x years in the U.S.

Booth and Kellogg are also open to the same strengths we have been underlining and very open to a 3.7/740. As always, make it clear why you want to go there (that is less important at HBS and Wharton).

Someone like you could get into Stanford with the added X factor of victimhood, helping victims, major do-gooder jive, etc.  It would be worth admitting you just to shut up people like me who say they never do. ?

****FOOTNOTE Macau University:
“the leading tertiary institution in the city. It was founded in 1981 as the University of East Asia, 18 years before the transfer of Macau from Portugal to China. The University of Macau is the Special Administrative Region’s (SAR) first modern university, and the largest university in terms of faculty size and programmes offered.” It is ranked 355-400 globally  by Times Higher Education ranking, whatever that means.

 

Mr. Oil & Gas

  • 720-740 GMAT (Projected)
  • 3.98 GPA
  • Undergraduate degree in mechanical engineering from a Top 10 public university for engineering in the Midwest
  • Work experience includes two years at an integrated oil and gas company, four years at matriculation, in a rotational development program. Currently a global technical consultant subject matter expert including travel to support production operations in Africa and Asia
    Extracurricular involvement in a major honor society leadership at college, increased member participation and retention rates, increased community outreach and presence within school;
  • Goal: To transition into strategy consulting at MBB for energy companies both in U.S. and abroad
  • “Additionally, was a national finalist in multiple speech and debate tournaments in high school. Engineering took priority in college, but that background is one of the reasons consulting (synthesizing disparate information into a cohesive package and communicating with a client) appeals to me”
  • 26-year-old white male from Midwest

Odds of Success:

Harvard: 20% to 30%
MIT: 30% to 40%
Dartmouth: 30% to 40%
Chicago: 30% to 40%
Virginia: 40% to 50%
Michigan: 40% to 50%
Northwestern: 40%

Sandy’s Analysis: This is a real tight story and adcoms love oil and gas guys with 3.98 GPAs from solid schools.  Get that 720-740 and I don’t mean to be annoying (it’s not me, it’s the adcoms) but in your case there could be a difference between a 720 and a 740.

How come? A white male guy in a sort of crowded cohort [energy] with lots of other WM’s is in the overrepresented part of the pool. And fact two: You have only worked for one company, so schools will not have the value of seeing where you were able to land a second job.

That is a big metric to them in crowded buckets, e.g. consulting, banking, etc.
Many applicants start at MBB or GS in consulting and banking, but one real powerful metric is where those strong applicants wind up working after two years for their second job. Do they work for a select PE shop or slip down the status pole a few notches or do something “different” (that could be OK if it is good different and can be explained.).

Schools really value that outcome as a very considered analysis by the second employer (often one they know and trust) who have more time and effort to compare people than they do. In your case, this may not matter if you are working for a huge brand name oil and gas company with a history of sending applicants to B-school.

You say,

“2 years at an integrated oil and gas company, 4 years at matriculation (will miss application deadlines this year). Rotational development program. Currently a global technical consultant subject matter expert including travel to support production operations in Africa and Asia. Next role before MBA will be in small capital project management.”

That sounds like one of the “majors,” to wit: ExxonMobil, Royal Dutch Shell, Chevron, BP, Total S.A. or ConocoPhillips. (Well, I just looked that up, sorry if it is already out of date, did Amazon buy Total?)

If that is the case, they will treat your career there as kinda the first and second job, and the fact you have moved up smartly (it seems, make tha real clear in the app).

If you work for one of those lesser known intergrated companies (well, lesser known to adcoms), viz. PetroChina Co. Ltd., China Petroleum & Chemical Corp., Petroleo Brasileiro, Ecopetrol, YPF S.A. or Petrobras Argentina SA, etc, only working for one company could be a problem.

Target Schools: HBS, MIT, Tuck, Booth, Darden and Ross. Considering Kellogg due to location in Midwest, not sure if it’s a good fit.

Guys like you get into and dinged at HBS, although you seem their type.  As noted, energy is a classy bucket with lots of other guys like you, and the difference between a 720 and 740 GMAT for a white guy could be significant. I’d really plan on retaking a 720, and I hate to say it.

MIT will go for this, they love Mid-Western and well spoken types, see my remarks about HBS and GMAT scores. Pretty much ditto.

TUCK. You should get in, you’d offer both diversity (oil and gas) and would probably fit in, unless you got interviewed by some Tuckie with a hair on his or her ass, and that could happen.

You said, “was a national finalist in multiple speech and debate tournaments in high school. Engineering took priority in college, but that background is one of the reasons consulting (synthesizing disparate information into a cohesive package and communicating with a client) appeals to me.”

Hmmmmmm, some tranche of people in admissions–not all that many, but– might find that kind of smarmy, humble bragging, over-slick BS to be annoying.  As to that tranche (an annoying word as well, don’t use that word either, although you seem the type that might), Tuck is over-represented, especially in the kids who do interviewing. Meet that wrong kid on the day you are interviewed, and Tuck could prove to be a dry well.

Booth should be a go. Same analysis as Tuck and fewer decision makers with Tuck hairs across their backsides.

Darden and Ross should be yes, even with a 720.

Kellogg.  Fact you fear it is not your type of place confirms a bit of my remarks about Tuck. If you don’t get the bad interviewer, etc. you should get in. As to liking it there, well, go to some forums and post-admit events, you’ll get the idea real fast.

Could be oil and gas and water.

 

 

以上内容摘自:

http://poetsandquants.com/2017/07/19/handicapping-your-elite-mba-odds-19/ 

 

 

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