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留学参考:Handicapping Your Elite MBA Odds (201705) (29)  

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留学参考:Handicapping Your Elite MBA Odds (201705) (29)
 

BY: JOHN A. BYRNE ON MAY 03, 2017

 

 

An Ivy school grad, he is a super performer at a large commercial bank, having racked up three promotions in just two years. With a 780 GMAT score, he hopes to get an MBA to make a triple jump, changing industry, function and location to work in corporate strategy.

They’re a married couple, both born in India, who want to apply to elite MBA programs together. He’s a 29-year-old technical engineer with a 760 GMAT who works for an oil and gas company. She’s a 29-year-old computer engineer at a global info tech firm who expects to get a 740+ score on the GMAT. He wants the MBA to do consulting in the energy sector; she wants the degree to lead product development at either Google or Apple.

This 24-year-old Russian woman works for a top-tier consulting firm in Dubai that has taken her to assignments in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, Moscow, and Kazakhstan. She boasts a degree in international business from one of Russia’s top universities as well as a master’s in management from HEC Paris but now wants an MBA to enhance her career prospects.

What these three MBA candidates and more share in common is the desire to get through the door of a highly selective MBA program at one of the world’s very best business schools. Do they have a chance?

Sanford “Sandy” Kreisberg, founder of MBA admissions consulting firm HBSGuru.com, is back to analyze these and a few other profiles of actual MBA applicants who have shared their vital statistics, work backgrounds, and career goals with Poets&Quants.

As usual, Kreisberg handicaps each potential applicant’s odds of getting into a top-ranked business school. If you include your own stats and characteristics in the comments, we’ll pick a few more and have Kreisberg assess your chances in a follow-up feature to be published shortly. (Please add your age and be clear on the sequence of your jobs in relaying work experience. Make sure you let us know your current job.)

Mr. 780

  • 780 GMAT
  • 4.0 GPA at a Top 20 undergraduate institution
  • Transfers out as sophomore to a Mid-Ivy (think Columbia or Penn)
  • 3.0 GPA at Mid-Ivy “due to a personal family issue”
  • Work experience at a large commercial bank in credit underwriting and risk management (Think Chase, Citi or Bank of America)
  • Received three promotions in two years, becoming the fastest rising member of the analyst class to gain a promotion to vice president
  • Top employee rating firmwide (top 5% of the workforce)
  • Extracurricular involvement for one year as a mentor to underprivilged high school students to get them ready for college
  • Expects excellent recommendations
  • Goal: To pivot industry, function and location to work in corporate strategy for a tech or Fortune 500 company; potentially considering consulting as well
  • “May apply to Harvard, Stanford and Wharton”
  • 25-year-old American white male, LGBT in New York

Odds of Success:

Northwestern: 30% to 40%
Dartmouth: 30% to 40%
Michigan: 50%+
Virginia: 50%+
Duke: 50%+
Harvard: 20%
Stanford: 20%
Wharton: 30% to 40%

Sandy’s Analysis: You are a guy who is capable of running super hot. That is the say, you can score a 780. You can get a 4.0. And you can then join a large commercial bank and win really unbelievable exceptional medals. Getting promoted three times and the highest analyst score nationwide. Those are real accomplishments. So you are clearly capable of doing incredible things amidst of a number of stumbles. To wit, working for a boring bank that is not selective and screwing up your GPA.

You get a 4.0 at a top 20 school and then as a sophomore you transfer out to Columbia or Penn and your grades go down dramatically to 3.0. That is a little more than a hiccup. That is a big but. In our world getting a job at a large commerical bank is another but because it’s not a selective job and it’s not a job that people like. And then you give us another but with your performance at the bank.

As to your goal, I think you need to tell schools that you want to become a management consultant. You need to follow one of the 15 commandments of applying to business school: Thou cannot go wrong, claiming you want to be a consultant.

You ask if you should apply to Harvard, Stanford and Wharton. My advice: Apply to Harvard and Wharton. This is not a Stanford app, despite your one year of mentoring people. You are not a classic do-gooder. Their mouth would water over your 780 GMAT. Stanford is as big a GMAT sucker as exists on the face of planet earth. Stanford would shake this guy up and down and say, ‘Can we make this happen? Can we make this happen?’ But there is too much here that they won’t like: You’re white, you’re male, you work for a commercial bank. I don’t think your LGBT status is going to get you a halo effect at Stanford. The mentoring is too little, too late. You don’t seem to have do-gooder DNA. Stanford has a lot of people with a 760 GMAT and the rest is totally fine. That’s how they get their storehouse of high GMAT scores.

For you, Wharton is more interesting. The 780 would be irresistable. it would get you back in the Ivy League. But I don’t think there are many American white males at Wharton from commercial banks. I think it could be zero. Still, I have a feeling that you are an unbelievable performer given the right circumstances and the right mindset. You got that 780. You had a 4.0. You proved you could excel in this boring, frozen number-crunching bank where you have racked up great accomplishments. If you got to Wharton and things aligned for you there, I could see you as the valedictorian at graduation.

Harvard, Stanford and Wharton all like 780s. But Harvard likes it the least. They are not entranced by it. When Stanford and Wharton see a 780, they go into a trance. They are ga-ga over a 780.

Just reading the tea leaves here. I don’t think you are a Kellogg or a Tuck type. You strike me as an individualist, not a collaborative team player. I respect you. You are a real smart, tough, slightly screwed-up guy. You are the kind of boss who is really smart but considered a pain in the ass. I view you as someone with slightly sharp elbows, a real performer who likes to perform alone. There is nothing here, nothing, that reads teamwork, clubs, and collaboration. Your 780 gives you a chance, but I think you are a likely admit at almost all the other places you’re targeting: Michigan, Duke, Virgina.

Bottom line: If you get your act together, you are a high potential leader. It’s possible that a guy like you can get real value out of an MBA program. Business school could round you out in an important way as a leader.

 

A Couple Applying Together

HUSBAND

  • 760 GMAT
  • 6.9/10 GPA
  • Undergraduate degree in mechanical engineering from a selective non-IIT school
  • Work experience includes six years at an oil and gas EPC company at one of the world’s largest firms (Daewoo Shipbuilding Marine Engineering / Samsung Heavy Industries / Hyundai Heavy Industries); worked in a leadership position managing 10 persons directly and 40-50 persons in a project management matrix; currently a deputy lead engineer South Korea; also had been involved in a failed entrepreneurship project in biofuel farming for six months in rural India and worked for 11 months at an Indian IT firm
  • Co-Founded two firms: one in Cookware manufacturing industry and another in road construction
  • Extracurricular involvement leading an education team for a well-known NGO in rural India for imparting science education; worked in Ebola awareness programs in Lagos during Ebola breakout; worked in relief teams during three natural disasters in India
  • Short-term Goal: To transition into consulting in the energy sector
  • Long-term goal: Venturing in Alternative / Non-conventional energy industry in emerging economies
  • 29-year-old Indian male

WIFE

  • 740+ GMAT expected
  • 8.2/10 GPA
  • Undergraduate degree in computer engineering from a non-IIT school
  • 7.8/10 GPA
  • Master’s degree in computer engineering from an IIT
  • Work experience includes five years at a top IT firm (Think Oracle, Google or Microsoft) in India as an applicant developer, working in a leading position in one of the three services being offered as part of Oracle Management Cloud
  • “Assisted in leading the Cloud framework management team for an enterprise scale product to support private, public and hybrid cloud setup, monitoring, management and development of other cloud services; responsible for SaaS based applications like Sales Management, Partner Relationship Management within Fusion CRM product line”
  • Co-founded one firm with husband in cookware manufacturing industry
  • Extracurricular involvement as a volunteer in an NGO for women emancipation in rural India; Captain of House in school; National Cadet Corp member; lead an adventure trekking camp to Sikkim; lead youth parliament in school; Organized Tech Fest in undergrad college. Taekwondo yellow belt holder; Leads a Women in Leadership wing in her firm
  • Short-term goal: To lead a product development division (Google/Apple)
  • Long-term goal: Entrepreneurship in Product Development
  • 29-year-old Indian woman

Odds of Success:

HUSBAND

Harvard: 20% to 25%
Stanford: 10% to 15%
MIT: 40%
Dartmouth: 30%
Chicago: 30%
Michigan: 40%
INSEAD: 40% to 50%+

WIFE

Harvard: 30% to 35%
Stanford: 15% to 20%
MIT: 30% to 40%
Dartmouth: 30% to 40%
Chicago: 30% to 40%
Michigan: 40% to 50%
INSEAD: 50%+

Sandy’s Analysis: First, let’s deal with some general advice for couples who apply together to a business school. If possible, you should apply to more than one school in the same city, such as Harvard and MIT in Boston, Columbia and NYU in New York, or Booth and Kellogg in Chicago. That way, if one of you is stronger and one is weaker, you may be able to get into both schools and can live in the same city.

You should signal to the schools that you are applying together. If there is a stronger partner and a slightly weaker partner, there are occasions when a school will give a slight break to the weaker candidate if they really like the stronger partner. There aren’t a lot of statistics on this. I’d say it doesn’t happen a lot and it especially doesn’t happen a lot at Harvard, Stanford and Wharton. That’s because the applicant pool is so strong they wouldn’t give a break to a weaker partner. If you’re presenting super high stats and work in something they are really interested in, they might say, ‘This person could really add to our class and we’ll blink at the small deficiency of the other partner.’

As a rule, they consider each of you on the merits. Now there are a lot of couples at business schools but the more frequent couple is a matriculated student and a spouse. If you Google ‘couples at business school,’ the first thing you get is a blog entry at Harvard Business School where you will be transported to a cavalcade of couples of all kinds. There aren’t many married couples who applied and got in together. It won’t give you any hint whatsoever as to how to gain admission as a unit.

So let’s deal with the two of you. With your backgrounds as Indian engineers—the most overrepresented pool at U.S. business schools—it’s going to be very hard for both of you to get into the same MBA program. Still, you just might both get in on your individual merits. But it won’t matter to admissions that you are a couple. I don’t know how effective it is to say to a business school that you can have two Indian engineers for the price of one. There are so many Indian engineers in the pool already.

The husband has had one job for five years working for a company that does oil and gas engineering, procurement and construction work. You should play up your international experience and your management roles. I’m guessing you build offshore oil platforms. So a lot will depend on your actual employer and what the schools think of that company. I don’t come across Daewoo at Harvard, Stanford or Wharton.

As for your entrepreneurship ventures, you don’t want that stuff to sound confusing to schools, and you don’t want to sound like building an oil rig is a second job for you. It’s okay to mention it as an influence. You can say you are interested in starting companies and you helped your barely literate uncle start companies. That would be more believable and you would get credit for it as well.

What you have are the extras of a golden applicant. But what you don’t have is the main course. You are a little old. It remains to be seen whether you are working for a gold or silver company. And it’s hard to figure out exactly what you do so my advice is to make your application super clear and get rid of the jargon. You are competing with anyone who works for an energy major and anyone who works for the oil service companies like Schumberger and Baker Hughes. It’s a mildly crowded cohort. The 760 might give you some daylight if you can present yourself clearly and you work for a company they know like Samsung or Hyundai.

In your wife’s case, it’s really important for her to get a 740 GMAT. I would take the test three times if that is what it takes to get that 740. I imagine you’ve worked for five years for Oracle but what you have done there is incomprehensible. Make it real clear what you do. Don’t engage in technical language. You also have a lot of women’s mission extras that are powerful. Rural emancipation in rural India is something Stanford would love.

In some sense, you are the stronger candidate. You work for a frequent flyer company and you are a female engineer. You also have a master’s from an IIT. If you can present yourself as a woman who can understand management and engineering, there is a chance for a Hravard admit. And I can see that sooner for the wife than the husband because he falls victim to the Indian male engineeri curse. One problem is if you work for Oracle it is a small negative because admission committes don’t love Larry Ellison. And Oracle doesn’t make anything you can touch and hold and love like Apple or Microsoft.

Among the schools you are targeting, your best chance may be MIT. The school goes for engineers and the 760 cuts a lot of mustard. The fact that you both do different things also helps. The odds also favor both of you at INSEAD.

One last important piece of advice for you: Please hire a consultant or have someone help you explain yourself and what you do. What you sent us was annoying and gobbledegook.

 

Ms. Russian Consultant

  • 720-730 GMAT expected
  • 3.4 GPA
  • Undergraduate degree in international business from a top Russian university
  • Master’s degree in management from HEC Paris
  • Work experience includes two years for a top-tier consulting firm in Dubai, working on projects in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, UAE, Moscow and Kazakhstan; internships as a data analyst at a Russian investment bank and an internship in the strategy department of a financial services provider in Paris
  • Extracurricular activities include working as a volunteer for Aiesec Moscow as project manager, one of the founders of an Aviation club at university; presenter in ERASMUS conference; second place winner at the nationwide case competition in Russia
  • 24-year-old woman from Russia

Odds of Success:

Wharton: 30% to 40%
Columbia: 40% to 50%

Sandy’s Analysis: What you bring to the table is the consulting experience in the Middle East as a Russian-born young woman. That could be very valuable to a business school. The question is how valuable? Let’s say you get a 710 or 720 GMAT. The median GMAT at Wharton is 730. Does working in the Middle East as a female Russian overcome 10 to 20 GMAT points? It could for you, but it’s really hard to say.

But the fact you founded an aviation club at your Russian university and then went to Paris to earn a master’s degree from HEC makes you stand out. I don’t think a lot of Russians do that. So you present as someone who is sophisticated, exotic and possibly wealthy.

I think Wharton gets a lot of consulting and finance people and the bottom half of those cohorts are probably not as interesting as you are as a candidate. In fact, I would say you are much more interesting than the bottom half of their admitted finance cohort. What is heart breaking is that the GMAT becomes real important because Wharton might fall in love with you but they then have to ask themselves if you have the horsepower to make it there.

That question comes up because you didn’t include your GPA for your undergraduate degree and your GPA in your masters isn’t all that high when grades tend to be higher in master’s programs. That is where the GMAT is important. They may look down on the 3.4 GPA at HEC Paris and wonder if you were on vacation. They could think you either don’t have the horsepower or don’t like to turn the engine on. That is why the GMAT in your case is critical. At Columbia, it’s the same analysis but somewhat easier.

You only mention two schools but my advice to you would be to cast a wider net. Your career dreams can come true at a lot of schools, not only Wharton and Columbia. I would look at schools ranked five through 15. There s no telling what could happen once you set foot in America and you have your pilot’s license.


 

以上内容摘自:

http://poetsandquants.com/2017/05/03/handicapping-elite-mba-odds-11/ 

 

 

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