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留学参考:Handicapping Your Elite MBA Odds (201609)(22)  

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留学参考:Handicapping Your Elite MBA Odds (201609)(22)

 


 BY: JOHN A. BYRNE & SANDY KREISBERG ON SEPTEMBER 11, 2016

 

 

This 27-year-old white male grew up in a trailer park, the son of a single parent. But after a pair of degrees in electrical engineering from the University of Missouri, this 27-year-old, first generation college graduate now has a job at one of Silicon Valley’s well-known hardware firms. With a 710 GMAT, he wants to go to business school so he can transition into a role helping small start-ups in under-privileged locales.

This big data analyst at a major telecom company in Philadelphia once participated in a 46-hour dance marathon. With a 740 GMAT and a 3.4 GPA in economics from a big state school, he hopes to get the MBA to land a job at McKinsey, Bain or BCG in strategic consulting.

He’s a white male with a Hispanic sounding name who has been working for a startup at the intersection of business, law and healthcare. With a 700 GMAT and a 3.52 GPA from Marist College,  this young professional hopes to leverage his experience and an MBA into a strategic consultant role for McKinsey, Bain or BCG, with the longer-term goal of gaining a corporate strategy leadership role

These candidates and among the many who want to get through the door of a highly selective MBA program at one of the world’s very best business schools. Do they have a chance?

Sanford “Sandy” Kreisberg, founder of MBA admissions consulting firm HBSGuru.com, is back again to analyze these and a few other profiles of actual MBA applicants who have shared their vital statistics, work backgrounds and career goals with Poets&Quants.

As usual, Kreisberg handicaps each potential applicant’s odds of getting into a top-ranked business school. If you include your own stats and characteristics in the comments, we’ll pick a few more and have Kreisberg assess your chances in a follow-up feature to be published shortly. (Please add your age and be clear on the sequence of your jobs in relaying work experience. Make sure you let us know your current job.)

 

Mr. Big Data

 

  • 740 GMAT
  • 3.42 GPA
  • Undergraduate degree in economics from a big state school (think Ohio State or Penn State)
  • Work experience includes three years at Capital One as an analyst, promoted to senior analyst after two years; two years at a major telecom company based in Philadelphia working with big data and recently promoted there
  • Extracurricular involvement as the president of his college fraternity, ballroom dancer, participated in a 46-hour dance marathon
  • Goal: To join a Big Three consulting firm and eventually build an organization based on data for decision making
  • Concerned about what he calls “a mediocre GPA” but expects to get good recommendations from managers
  • Plans to focus his essay on analytics
  • 27-year-old white male

Odds of Success:

Wharton: 40% to 50%
Columbia: 40% to 50%
NYU: 50%+
Virginia: 50%+
Harvard: 20% to 30%

Sandy’s Analysis: The bottom line is you should apply to Harvard Business School. You are a big data guy. Big data, analytics, data-based decision making, risk management are all a large part of the future and if you can do it, you are a hot hand.

A 3.42 at a big state school, like Ohio or Penn State, ain’t great but it’s acceptable. Working for Capital One as an analyst and a senior analyst for three years is okay. So far we are talking about business schools rated five through 15. Then, you moved to a big telecom in Philly—I am guessing Comcast—which I call a promotion because it is a big, powerful company in so many ways. And you are doing big data analytics there which is again hot.

The cherry is the 740 GMAT. That makes it all congeal, baby, it’s like an Etch-A-Sketch thing, all of a sudden you get the whole picture. The GMAT brings it home. You are a smart guy, who knows how to have fun, and you probably have a lead butt that can do analytics at a boring company. You just get the picture of you being a future possible rock star in analytics, particularly the management of analytics.

Don’t worry about your GPA. When you look at how much weight business schools give to GPA, your score won’t matter all that much, especially bcause of your GMAT and your good recommendations. You should get into Wharton, and

if you can execute well on the application, you have a good chance at Harvard.

There is a whole playing deck of Stanford and Harvard types and you are a card in that deck. You are the Jack of Hearts. You are a face card, you’re well-liked and you’re real solid. In fact, for some of your target schools, like Darden and Stern, you need to convince them you really want to go there because you are a candidate who can get into a more highly ranked school.

In your essay, you should make a case on how you have grown in the field and how you intend to build upon that. Make it clear you know the industry well. You should locate people who are nerd managers and say these are your role models. You should point to managers at Comcast who might fit that description. I’m sure there are plenty of nerd managers there.

You said you plan to apply in round one to most of your target schools. Throw an app into Harvard for round two. That is my advice to you.

 

 

Mr. IEEE

 

  • 710 GMAT (Q/49, V/38))
  • 3.6 GPA
  • Undergraduate degree in electrical engineering from the University of Missouri-Rolla
  • 3.8 GPA
  • Master’s degree in electrical engineering from Missouri-Rolla
  • Work experience includes two years with a major Silicon Valley hardware company (think Cisco/Qualcomm/Nvidia/Cadence)
  • Two internships with big microchip producers during college
  • Extracurricular involvement as vice president for IEEE student group in college and treasurer for HKN society for exceptional engineers, mentor to several college projects for juniors a part of the clubs (IEEE/ HKN)
  • “Organized all high school friends and alumni to raise funds and awareness to build a skate park in the small town of Missouri where I grew up. Got the park built which is a major recreational place in town today. Over the past decade trade has been dying off in my hometown so joined hands with some old friends and people from town and currently working for ” revive <town-name>” mission”
  • Grew up in a trailer park, son of a single parent, in rural Missouri, first generation college graduate
  • “Worked part time all throughout my student life, was forced to work for couple years after high school graduation due to a lack of resources”
  • Goal: To use MBA to help small start-ups leverage contact and resources in under-privileged locations
  • 27-year-old American white male

Odds of Success:

Northwestern: 30% to 40%
UC-Berkeley: 30%
Chicago: 20% to 30%
MIT: 20% to 30%
Stanford: 20%
Harvard: 30%

Sandy’s Analysis:  What we have here is a white male electrical engineer from the University of Missouri, with two years of experience at a core Silicon Valley hardware company. You have another interesting angle because you were brought up by a single parent in a trailer park. So you have a powerful adversity story.

You present a very interesting case of where a story like this falls. You’re a good, smart guy. I like you and you have a little bit of gold on your resume. But you are not getting into Stanford because you don’t have fhe X factor. Stanford isn’t intersted in poor white people. They are interested in rich white people who help poor people who aren’t white. Stanford just isn’t interested in white ethinic adversity stories, unless there is one from Princeton who then got a job at Google, an A+ company, not just an A company, and your GPA is a little low.

Your chances at harvard are much better. Harvard is bigger. They are more open to this story than Stanford, and it is Harvard. You are totally solid and want to transition into tech management or consulting. Someoone has to bang you on the side of your head when it comes to your goals statement. This is a classic consulting story. What you need to say is that you want to be a consultant to help tech companies with their growth strategies. You are a classic Harvard tech guy from a third-tier educational backround.

And what’s not to like about you? You are a self-made young man, who worked himself up from a trailer park, who went on to get a master’s degree in engineering, and youw have a great gig in Silicon Valley after doing internships with a couple of well-known chip companies.

The execution on your resume becomes really important at a lot of your target schools. You need to get two strong rec letters from the hardware firms you’ve worked for. I rarely say this but you could use a consultant or a really good friend to get your story right on the money.

My advice: Hire a consultant to help you make the most of your story.

 

Ms. Government

 

  • 158Q, 159V GRE (plans to retake)
  • 3.5 GPA
  • Undergraduate degree from an “Ivy-like” university (think Duke)
  • Work experience includes two years in Teach for America, with school leadership roles and teaching awards; two-plus years working in chief operating office of a large school district, with a promotion after the first year,
  • One-year selective public policy fellowship in a city’s public housing agency, working with elected officials on a financial sustainability plan
  • current management position, focus on strategic advisement
  • Extracurricular involvement as a member of a junior board of a neighborhood youth development organization, volunteer in neighborhood group voting on local policies
  • Goal: To transition into public sector consulting, with a longer-term goal to run a federal government program either in education or housing
  • “I originally thought about an MPA but since I have ~3 years working in government I want a degree that will expose me to new ways of thinking and courses that can add other skills to my tool belt. I’ve considered Harvard’s Kennedy School but not sure I can afford three years of graduate school and think my public policy fellowship was enough in this area”
  • 25-year-old white female, first-generation college student (parents did not finish high school)

Odds of Success:

Harvard: 20% to 30%
Yale: 30%+
Northwestern: 30%+
Michigan: 40%+
Columbia: 30%+
NYU: 40%+

Sandy’s Analysis: Grrr. As you sense, this is a real strong Kennedy School MPA application and given the choice between getting an MPA from Kennedy or an MBA from Michigan or NYU, I would go with Harvard unless your real dream is flip into investment banking and make millions, or any variant of that.

Lots of Kennedy school kids also wind up at McKinsey So that is something else to think about. Your ‘problem’ is not your GPA. It’s that your resume does not clearly lead to business school, and no amount of your yelling in the app is going to change an adcom’s mind. They may admit you anyway because they like you and with a better GRE score, you might have OK stats for them.

I’m not seeing this as HBS, although I could be wrong. They take one to four kids a year with similar TFA + 1 and 2 more experiences, although those kids are often golden children with rock solid GPA/GMAT scores, TFA and maybe one more job as the right hand person to the Secretary of HEW etc.

On the other hand, you are certainly in the trenches, and they may respect that. I believe (someone confirm) that you can apply to dual HBS-HKS program and get admitted to HKS and dinged at HBS, soooo, you should do that. If dinged at HBS, think real hard about HKS.

I’m a huge believer (shocking, I know) in branding. Going to Harvard in any legitimate capacity is life changing, even the flipping Education School. HKS is a wonderful license to hustle, as I have noted in the past. There is an X factor: The chances of meeting new, important, life-changing people is way higher in the HKS eco-system, although this is hard to put a number on, and a good deal of that happening depends on what kind of person you are and what your interests are. You may get into the other MBA programs you note, lots to like here.

An elevated GRE score would make life easier for everyone.

Do a less screamy and more substantive and quiet job about why you want the MBA, allude to education and other government figures with. MBAs and say they are role models.

 

Mr. Startup

 

  • 700 GMAT (plans to retake)
  • 3.52 GPA
  • Undergraduate degree in international business from Marist College, a small, selective private
  • Work experience at a three-year-old startup that works at the intersection of business, law, and healthcare, coordinating and managing logistics and operations; interned at a local consulting firm founded by a Big Three retiree
  • “I work with VPs, executive, and other directors at hospitals and healthcare systems across the country, and my work goes in front of the higher levels I do not directly interface with”
  • Extracurricular involvement included leadership positions in the Greek system at the national level, involved in the college’s theater program as well as heavy & diverse charity involvement, primarily relating to domestic
  • abuse/relationship violence; on a nationally ranked rugby team and an active Second Dan in Shaolin Kempo Karate
  • Goal: To leverage experience and an MBA into a strategic consultant role for McKinsey, Bain or BCG, with longer-term goal of gaining a corporate strategy leadership role
  • Interested in the JD/MBA program at Northwestern: “Why the JD? A&D and Healthcare are two of the most highly regulated industries and, due to the increasing importance of technology in these fields, a mass of changes and regulations is sure to come down as technology continues to far outpace existing laws. Understanding and interpreting the laws, as well as the law makers, when negotiating and predicting major movements, will be essential to strategy in these industries”
  • “A white male, with a Hispanic sounding last name thanks to Ellis Island during World War I. I usually do not identify with my race, and, truth be told, our family’s history is not that clear”

Odds of Success:

Northwestern: 20%

Harvard: 10%
Duke: 20%
Yale: 10% to 20%
NYU: 20%
Wharton: 10%

Sandy’s Analysis: I don’t htink you’re getting into Harvard or Wharton. After the smoke clears, you have a profile where you went to Marist which is a respectable school, a below-average GMAT for the schools you have targeted, with an iffy work history. You have only worked for one comapny. It’s a startup and my guess is that it is not a brand name company. Let me offer this advice to other applicants out there: It is better to work at a startup after you have worked at a name company. What you don’t have is a name college, a name internship or a name employer. That is okay with me, but it is not okay with the nation’s leading business schools.

And you also want to be a consultant. That is a crowded cohort. That is the default course for people in the military or those with gold-plated resumes. You do have a lot of interesting extras like judo and rugby. That is all okay on the other side of a decimal point on your GPA, but this is not competitive diving and it won’t make a difference at the schools you want to attend.

You say you have a Hispanic sounding name. but that is an Ellis isaldn screwup. you don’t have a history of working with hispanics. the category of hispanic surname is one you should check.

You also say you are interested in an MBA/JD joint degree at Northwestern. That is a detraction to your application. It signals that you don’t know what you are doing. I am routinely against joint degree programs. If you get into a good MBA program and you figure out that you need a JD, you can always get into law school. Nobody is going to law school these days.

The best thing you can do is to take the GMAT again and keep taking it. This is a heart breaking case where an extra 30 points can make a difference at schools ranked seven through 15 for you. A 730 certainly makes all the difference at NYU. In your current state, NYU is even a long shot. Business school admissions is its own world. What works for you on planet earth isn’t going to work for you in the buisness school world.

 

 

以上内容摘自:

http://poetsandquants.com/2016/09/11/handicapping-elite-mba-odds-2/ 

 

 

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