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留学参考:Handicapping Your Elite MBA Odds (201607)(20-1)  

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留学参考:Handicapping Your Elite MBA Odds (201607)(20-1)


 BY: JOHN A. BYRNE & SANDY KREISBERG ON JULY 05, 2016

 

 

His raw numbers are awfully impressive: A 750 GMAT that puts him in the 98% percentile of all test takers, and a equally stunning 4.0 grade point average at a private university in Chicago. For the past four years, this 28-year-old professional has been working for a Big Four accounting firm and wants to use the MBA as a way to transition into a consulting gig with one of the Big Three, McKinsey, Bain, or BCG.

He’s a 28-year-old European who graduated from an Ivy League university with both a bachelor’s and a master’s in engineering. After working for a Fortune 500 pharmaceuticals company for four years with two promotions, he now wants to use an MBA to jump from commercial strategy and operations to business development and move up the ladder in Big Pharma. And he certainly has the stats to do it: A 780 GMAT and a 3.98 GPA on his master’s degree.

He’s a former U.S. Marine Captain who has been working for a nonprofit lobbying firm to improve veteran’s healthcare and reform the Veterans Administration. With a 690 GMAT and a 3.5 GPA in political science from a Southern pubic university, this now 28-year-old white male is hoping to use business school to transition into healthcare management.

What these applicants share in common is the goal to get into one of the world’s best business schools. Do they have the raw stats and experience to get in? Or will they get dinged by their dream schools?

Sanford “Sandy” Kreisberg, founder of MBA admissions consulting firm HBSGuru.com, is back again to analyze these and a few other profiles of actual MBA applicants who have shared their vital statistics, work backgrounds and career goals with Poets&Quants.

As usual, Kreisberg handicaps each potential applicant’s odds of getting into a top-ranked business school. If you include your own stats and characteristics in the comments, we’ll pick a few more and have Kreisberg assess your chances in a follow-up feature to be published shortly. Now that the round one and round two deadlines are over, Sandy will be appearing more regularly. (Please add your age and be clear on the sequence of your jobs in relaying work experience. Make sure you let us know your current job.)

 

Mr. Big Four To Big Three

 

  • 750 GMAT
  • 4.0 GPA
  • Undergraduate degree in accounting from a private university in Chicago, graduated as the top business student
  • Work experience includes four years at a Big Four accounting firm, two years in international taxation and two years in M&A advisory
  • Extracurricular involvement as the chairman of a junior board of directors at a large charity in Chicago, spearheaded the creation of that board and also have had experienced working with youngsters on Chicago’s south and west side
  • Goal: To transition to McKinsey, Bain or BCG
  • 28-year-old male in Chicago

Odds of Success:

Harvard: 20% to 30%
Stanford: 20%
Wharton: 50%
Columbia: 50%
Chicago: 60%+
Northwestern: 60%

Sandy’s Analysis: Let’s put aside the fact that he is a 28-year-old white male. It’s very hard to get extra points for being a male these days. But things get better with your 4.0 in accounting from what you are describing is a private university in Chicago. And then you went to work for a Big Four.

I need to point this out again for many of our readers: As a feeder to the elite business schools, the Big Four is silver not gold if you are a U.S. white male. The Big Four is usually a feeder for underrepresented minorities, Europeans and Asians. If you get a job at PwC and you start out at international tax which sounds serious and move to M&A advsory which sounds like fun, you are a smart, successful guy. And you figured out how the game works: You want to go from the Big Four to the Big Three, McKinsey, Bain or BCG.

If you worked in Europe or Asia, that is gold because it is a harder job to get. For underrepresented minorities, it’s a job from whcih you can transiton from a traditionall black college to a Big Four to Stanford or Harvard. It sets you up. But you are not one of these candidates. You’ve got a great career, a 4.0 at a good school, a 750 and the right career goals, to use the MBA to transition into a global consulting firm.

Bottom line: You are a solid guy with a high GMAT. Chicago Booth will buy the numbers. It’s hard to say no to an American guy with a 4.0, a 750 GMAT and clear cut career goals to become a consultant. This is a case where everyone can be happy. You will be happy. The school that admits you will be happy. McKinsey, Bain and BCG will be happy. For them, you’re a pre-tested product. The only thing that could keep you out of Booth or Kellogg is bad luck or mismanaging the process somehow.

Wharton is just tougher. Columbia and Wharton will salivate over your numbers. You are the real deal. You are smart and you know accounting which these days is meaningful.
Let me suggest something a little kooky: You should apply to consulting firms now. You could save yourself two years and a quarter of a million dollars. Friend, consdier just smoozing with McKinsey, Bain and BCG. They are always looking for smart consultants.

I don’t think you are getting into Stanford unless your firm has a back door there, meaning someone who is FOD (Friends of Derrick), Bolton that is, the head of MBA admissions at Stanford. At HBS, your charitable work would be significant. But here’s a dirty little secret. To have impact with extracurriculars for an MBA admissions application, you’ve got to have a distinctive leadership role. If you’re a foot soldier in any one of the leading charities, it doesn’t get you enough. That’s just a fact of life in MBA admissions.

Bottom line: You are a solid guy with a high GMAT. Booth, Wharton and Columbia will buy the numbers. It’s hard to say no to an American guy with a 4.0, a 750 GMAT and clear cut career goals to become a consultant. This is a case where everyone can be happy. You will be happy. The school that admits you will be happy. McKinsey, Bain and BCG will be happy. For them, you’re a pre-tested product. The only thing that could keep you out of Booth or Kellogg is bad luck or mismanaging the process somehow.

Columbia and Wharton also will salivate over your numbers. You are the real deal. You are smart and you know accounting which these days is meaningful.

Let me suggest something a little kooky: You should apply to consulting firms now. You could save yourself two years and a quarter of a million dollars. Friend, consider just schmoozing with McKinsey, Bain and BCG. They are always looking for smart consultants.

 

Mr. Global Pharma

 

  • 780 GMAT
  • 169Q/170V GRE
  • 3.43 GPA
  • Undergraduate degree from middle Ivy (Penn/Columbia)  with a double major in engineering and economics, graduated cum laude
  • 3.98 GPA master’s
  • Master’s degree in engineering from same university
  • Work experience includes four years at a Fortune 500 U.S. pharma company with global operations,  starting as an analyst and promoted twice to an associate and then junior manager
  • Goal: Wants to jump from commercial strategy/operations to business development and move up the corporate ladder in big pharma
  • Extracurricular involvement and leadership positions in a major charitable organization, one of the philanthropic initiatives in my company s and my university alumni club
  • 28-year-old male, non U.S.-citizen from an underrepresented European country

Odds of Success:

Harvard: 40% to 50%
MIT: 50%+
Wharton: 50%+
Chicago: 50%+
Columbia: 50%+

Sandy’s Analysis: You’re in a good job with a big phama Fortune 500. It’s a plus that you come from an underrepresented European country. If it’s a country that HBS doesn’t have a flag for, that is a real plus. But I doubt it is that underrepresented. Your age tells me to advise you to apply now friend. The fact that you are a European who got into an Ivy League school is a super pllus.

But you have a 3.4 grade point average on your undergraduate transcript. You have finessed it because you have a graduate degree with a 3.9 GPA. That means you can eat the dog food and spit it back. File this on how you overcome a 3.4 at Harvard Business School: You get a 780 GMAT. You also took the GRE for your master’s and got a near perfect score. It was 169 out of 170 on both sides. That is good shootin’.

As to your extracurriculars, you say you have active involvement in leadership positions in a major charitable organization, one of the philanthropic initiatives at my company and my university’s alumni club. This is no dis on the charitable organization but the fact that it is an initiative of your company makes it almost a part of your job. The alumni stuff they couldn’t care less about. I tip my hat to you for your involvement in the alumni association, but it’s not going to have an impact. If you are keeping score at home, business schools like extra where the impact is beyond yourself. It’s something you’ve done that affects other people. It’s not through your company.

You are not getting in based on your extras. You are getting in on what looks like a very tight, straight career at a big pharma and the fact that you are a European guy able to have whatever it takes to then go to an American Ivy League school where after learning your lesson as an undergraduate you got a master’s degree with a 3.9 and jumbo standardized test scores. You just seem like a super smart guy.

At Harvard, you’re in the pharma bucket but I think your odds are good, 40% to 50%, depending on how well you do in your interview. Sloan, Wharton, Booth and Columbia are suckers for the high GMAT. You are applying to all the GMAT loving schools and your chances are naturally very good there given your super GMAT score. You just have to convince them you want to go there. Visit at Columbia. I wouldn’t spend the six grand to do early action at Columbia but I would get the application in ASAP after that early deadline. Sloan is a natural for you. Just visit and make yourself known. You are getting in.

 

Mr. Litigation Support

 

  • 710 GMAT (45Q/43V) (“Little disappointed in my quant (screwed up my timing) so I’m going to try improve that”)
  • 3.9 GPA
  • Undergraduate and master’s degree in accounting from a top three accounting program
  • Work experience includes three years at a relatively new consulting firm specializing in litigation support, such as economic analysis for damage calculations, patent infringement, lost profits, and compensation analysis; Promoted after one year (typically promotion is at 2.5 years)
  • Extracurricular involvement for two years servicing an LDS mission, in several leadership positions, developed one-on-one training for 20+ missionaries; also involved in Beta Alpha Psi in college and a volunteer for VITA on income tax preparation
  • Goal: To work in venture capital implementing information systems “to help the VC firm make good decisions about the company and the company to make good decisions themselves”
  • “I have a lot of interest in technology/data from my current job working on big data sets.
    Long-term goal: To start my own business either in VC or information system consulting
  • 27-year-old white male

Odds of Success:

Dartmouth: 20%
Northwestern: 25% to 30%
Duke: 25% to 30%
UNC: 40% to 50%

Sandy’s Analysis: There is good news and bad news here. You are at least fishing in the right pond. Kellogg, Duke and Kenan-Flager is where you should be looking. This is not a Harvard or Stanford application. The GMAT is acceptable but a little low for a white guy. Three years at a newer consulting firm specializing in litigation support is not a gold plated job. It is an established backwater like economic analysis. It is not considered a selective job. That is the only thing you are concerned about when you apply to an elite business school: how hard was it to get the job you have.

It’s considered an okay job, a professional job but it depends on how you spin it. Damage models are a world onto themselves. You are not dealing with people. You are just creating spreadsheets. It’s all about, ‘Ok you infringed my patent. How much money would I have made if you hadn’t done that.

You are a likeable guy. The LDS mission is always a plus. You say you were in a leadership position and developed one-on-one training for missionaries. The question I have is did you serve in an overseas mission? That is considered a very powerful mission by business schools. If you were stateside just developing leadership programs—even though that sounds good—it may not help you.

Your goals are nuts. You say you want to work in venture capital implementing information systems to help VC firms make good decisions. What you think you can do is create intelligent systems for VC firms, but you have no background in that so it’s a wacky goal. What you should say is you want to become a consultant at Deloitte. Get your goals straight. This is a case where people try to be distincitive. With goals, you should do no harm. You should say I have an accounting degree and my goal is to be a consultant with an accounting firm. Everybody will be happy and the bells will be ringing.

For you, Tuck and Kellogg are a reach. Duke Fuqua is in line and Kenan-Flagler is where I think you can get in. Tuck would like your personality but it has an admit rate of 20% so it’s tough. The average GMAT is 717 and you are a little low on that. Kellogg is similar and may be an eyelash easier to get into becuase they admit a larger class. Fuqua is just one notch down where the GMAT is 690 and it’s not as competitive as Kellogg even though the admit rate is a little lower by four basis points. Kenan-Flagler is the school that is in a different league in terms of selectivity. They admit 42.6% with a 692 average GMAT. You are totally solid and you should get in there.

 

 

以上内容摘自:

http://poetsandquants.com/2016/07/05/handicapping-elite-mba-odds-17-4/ 

 

 

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