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留学参考:Handicapping Your Elite MBA Odds (201605) (18-1)  

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留学参考:Handicapping Your Elite MBA Odds (201605) (18-1)


 BY: JOHN A. BYRNE & SANDY KREISBERG ON MAY 18, 2016 |

 

 

He’s a 28-year-old senior associate at a mid-market private equity firm. She’s a 27-year-old actuarial consultant at a leading human resources consulting firm. They are married, having met at a Top 20 liberal arts college, and both want to go to the same business school for their MBAs.

This 25-year-old young female professional currently works as a legal assistant for a global law firm. A liberal arts major with a creative bent, she would like an MBA degree to transition into a career in international marketing.

With an undergraduate degree in music from Northwestern University, he’s a classicial musician with a union card who now works for a boutique philanthropic consulting firm. This 28-year-old gay white male is hoping the MBA will be his ticket to a more substantial role in philanthropy.

You already know what all these candidates share in common. They want to get through the door of a highly selective MBA program at one of the world’s very best business schools. Do they have a chance?

Sanford “Sandy” Kreisberg, founder of MBA admissions consulting firm HBSGuru.com, is back again to analyze these and a few other profiles of actual MBA applicants who have shared their vital statistics, work backgrounds and career goals with Poets&Quants. Now that the 2015-2016 admissions season is all but over and Sandy has completed dozens of mock interviews with candidates, Sandy will be appearing more regularly.

As usual, Kreisberg handicaps each potential applicant’s odds of getting into a top-ranked business school. If you include your own stats and characteristics in the comments, we’ll pick a few more and have Kreisberg assess your chances in a follow-up feature to be published shortly. (Please add your age and be clear on the sequence of your jobs in relaying work experience. Make sure you let us know your current job.)

 

Mr. & Mrs. MBA

 
Mr.

  • 730 GMAT
  • 3.75 GPA in accounting and history from a top 20 liberal arts college
  •  
    Mrs.

    • 730 GMAT (targeting)
    • 3.66 GPA in math and Spanish from a top 20 liberal arts college
    • Work experience for Mr. includes two years at a boutique investment banking firm and three years at a middle market private equity firm, promoted early to a senior associate; for Mrs. includes a year as a math teacher in high school, currently working as an actuarial consultant for a top HR consulting firm
    • Extracurricular involvement includes heavy involvement in college and post-grad, couple serves as co-presidents of their college alumni chapter; Mr. volunteers with an adult literacy program, while Mrs. serves as a sorority adviser and a member of Junior League
    • “Recommendations should be good for both, particularly glowing for Mr. MBA”
    • Goals: Mr. MBA wants to return to PE with a larger firm in a different city, with a long-term objective of owning his own PE firm, while Mrs. MBA wants to go into human resources with a long-term goal of becoming chief human resources officer for a Fortune 100 company
    • “Mr. MBA was going to attend a Top 10 school last year but received an offer to stay and be promoted at PE firm instead”
    • Mr. MBA is a 28-year-old white male
    • Mrs. MBA is a 27-year-old Asian woman

    Odds of Success:

    Harvard: 20%
    Stanford: 10%
    Wharton: 30% to 40%
    Chicago: 30% to 40%
    Northwestern: 40% to 50%
    MIT: 30% to 40%
    UC-Berkeley: 50%
    Virginia: 50%
    Yale: 50%
    Dartmouth: 50%

    Sandy’s Analysis:  (see video above) Let’s first deal with the question: If you apply as a couple what does that really mean? Is that a plus, a minus, or neutral? If you Google “MBA apply as couple,” you won’t get any useful information. Kellogg is the only school that addresses this issue and they say it doesn’t make a difference.

    I don’t believe it. Applying as a couple changes the application. If one party is super strong and the other party is okay, there can be real coattails. I don’t care what these schools say. When the days dwindle down to a precious few for the admissions committee, they don’t care who they take. If the second party is on the waiting list and the school really wants the part of the couple they’ve already admitted, you know who is getting off the waiting list.

    In this case, neither one of you are superstars, though you both have very good profiles. It makes sense to apply as a couple. It’s something you should think about, strategize over, and how you indicate that following your spouse is very important to you.

    Let’s deal with Mr. MBA first. Let’s say he gets the 730 GMAT again. With his background, a lot will depend on what the schools think of the PE firm. You have a totally solid story but you are in an ultra-competitive cohort. You are dealing with people from Ivy to PE and those are among the most credentialed candidates in the world. So the schools will ask why should I take you from this mid-market firm with a 3.75 and a 730 GMAT when I have people from golden PE firms with a 4.0 and a 750 GMAT?

    Mrs. MBA is testing high and she has a math background. Let’s say she gets a 750. She works for this benefits company and that is very attractive to Wharton and many of the other schools. Her goal to work as a chief human resources officier for a Fortune 500 company is a solid goal for what she has done.

    At Harvard, Mr. MBA might not be getting in—but she could. It’s also not going to happen at Stanford for either of you. I like the two of you but these are not Stanford profiles. There just is no X factor here. At Wharton, Mr. MBA is facing the more golden PE candidates and could have some difficulty there. On the other hand, both of you are very attractive at Northwestern, Haas, Darden, and even Yale with odds of 50. Congratulations. You both are going to a a great business school as a couple.

 

 

Ms. Global Law

 

  • 690 GMAT (verbal stronger than quant)
  • 3.97 GPA
  • Undergraduate degree in Sociolinguistics with double minors in Spanish and Music from UC-Santa Barbara
  • Work experience includes three years at a global law firm. Started in recruiting & talent management. Unprecedented promotion after two years to legal assistant. Currently work on loan transactions with finance & bankruptcy lawyers.
  • Extracurricular involvement in community theater, choirs, and vocal performance
  • Goal: To transition to a career in international marketing (Might start out with some consulting work to get a good footing and breadth on different industries)
  • Strong recommendations from firm leaders and partners who I work with closely.
  • “Recently took an accounting class at a community college (Grade: A) and am taking stats now (Should get an A) – trying to compensate for the quant-light profile!”
  • Fluent in Italian. Strong proficiency in Spanish
  • 25-year-old white female, with an international background (born and lived in U.K. until 16 from an Italian family)

    Odds of Success:

    Wharton: 20%
    UCLA: 30%+
    UC-Berkeley: 20%
    NYU: 40%+
    Dartmouth: 20% to 35%
    Columbia: 20% to 30%
    Virginia: 30%+
    INSEAD: 40%+
    London: 40%

    Sandy’s Analysis: Yikes, your move from a recruiting and talent management role at a global law firm to being a “legal assistant,” needs more explaining. I believe you when you say it is an “unprecedented” promotion but many adcoms may not get it. Back in the quill-and-candle era, when I was a lawyer, paralegals (if that is what you mean by “legal assistant”) were recent grads from Ivy/near Ivy colleges who typically did two years with Class-A law firms and then applied to law school, often with great success. Paralegals then were sort of the kids who now who get hired at McKinsey and Goldman Sachs after college as analysts.

    Things have thus mucho improved, IMHO. I know how bad being an analyst for McKinsey and Goldman can be as a post-college job (despite their high demand and status), but trust me, being a paralegal at Sullivan & Cromwell or Cravath is way worse. I mean just speaking in feeble generalizations, which in my long experience, are usually true, although sure, there are refinements.
     
    OK, moving right along, and seriously now, you might have presented to business schools more clearly had you stayed in recruiting and talent management, since those are pure business functions. Sure, your promotion to paralegal was probably really a super big deal, and you need to have your rec writers note that and also isolate what your many strengths were that allowed that to happen, including team work, diligence, skills with third-parties, and smarts. 

    Once we get past that, this is pretty solid and clear. You are a poet with a 690 GMAT, a 3.97 from UC-Santa Barbara and you have gone out of your way to take accounting and stats to beef up your quant profile. Being a successful legal assistant is proof positive of your ability to sit still, consume tons of boring stuff, and sort of organize it–the actual definition of a first-year business student! I’m not joking and that is something schools deeply credit. You seem to do it with ease. That is a great strength.  

    You want to work in international marketing (whatever that means), you have an international background, and you can operate in English, Italian, and Spanish. Sounds like a good background for international marketing (WTM). You also worked for an international firm and deal with international cases and you grew up in England and are Italian. Try and spell out just what you mean by International Marketing. Marketing for MNC? These days there seems to Internet Marketing and Non-Internet Marketing and both of those often occur internationally?

    You say your reach schools are UCLA, Berkeley, NYU, Tuck, Columbia, Darden, INSEAD, LBS, Wharton. Hmm, good list, I think with clear execution, optimized recommendations, and a tight story, all of which you seem capable of, the reaches are Wharton, Columbia, and Berk. 

    Tuck is always a special case, once you get to Point A with them, it becomes a “fit” issue based on visits and interviews. You may be too overtly ambitious and too proletarian in schooling and jobs for them.  They like laid-back but ambitious kids who are getting a ticket punched (not that anyone would ever put it that way), sort of your preppy/slacker/tightly-wound/secret hard-worker—that ain’t you. You are an overt hard worker. They also like genuine “lower income” types who are striving up. That could be you if someone squints. “Marketing” is also a semi-slimy word up there.   In your case they may forgive it based on thinking you come from lower income background where marketing is a proxy for business in general.

    Darden, INSEAD, LBS, NYU, UCLA–those are not reaches for you. Those can be done. 

    As is always the case, a 720 GMAT versus your current 690 would help immensely. Even if your Q score stays the same. No one doubts your ability to do B-school math. The only issue is optics. Adcoms doubt their own ability to explain sagging GMAT averages to B-school deans. The deans care about GMAT averages and rankings and that is pretty much all they care about — outside of fund raising and not inadvertently stepping on some PC land mine. I mean just speaking in feeble generalizations, which in my long experience, are usually true, although sure, there are refinements.

    The recommendations you got from your law partners will be important, you really need to oversee that. Law partners don’t write many B school recs and law partners are not in the habit of wondering if golly, just because I’ve never done this, should I get help? That is not the way they became law partners.

    Prediction: once you get outside the hermetic and basically hateful environment of (even) a global law firm, you are going to really take off. 

 

 

 

以上内容摘自:

http://poetsandquants.com/2016/05/18/handicapping-elite-mba-odds-17-2/

 

 

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