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留学参考:Why Great Applicants Are Often Rejected (PART1)  

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留学参考:Why Great Applicants Are Often Rejected (PART1)

 

 

The 2016 Ding Report: Why Great Applicants Are Often Rejected
 

BY: JOHN A. BYRNE ON APRIL 20, 2016

 

 

8,653. 7,414. 5,288. 3,631.

Random numbers? Not really. Those figures reflect the number of MBA applicants that were rejected last year by Harvard, Stanford, Wharton, and MIT Sloan, respectively.

In fact, 22 out of the Top 25 highest ranked U.S. MBA programs each turned down for admission more than 1,000 candidates last year, 14 of them dinged more than 2,000 applicants each. Those Top 25 MBA programs sent out 67,628 ding letters in 2015.

More astounding than the number of rejected candidates is the remarkable quality of those applicants. Many have GMATs above 700, putting them in the top 11% of all test takers. Many have GPAs of 3.5 plus, often from some of the world’s best universities. And many boast already lucrative jobs, leadership experience in nonprofits and clubs, and track records of success.

APPLICANTS OFTEN FAIL DUE TO SUBTLE & RANDOM REASONS

Why the turndown? The easy answer is that applicant pools at top business schools are so rich and deep that candidates are often rejected for subtle and random reasons. Sometimes the reason for a rejection is obvious, especially to an admissions expert. Sometimes it’s virtually impossible to say with any confidence why one person got in and another was turned away.

Still, every year we invite the candidates who have been disappointed to provide their raw stats and profiles, and every year we ask Sandy Kreisberg, founder of HBSGuru.com, a leading MBA admissions counselor, to take a stab at evaluating the weaknesses of those candidacies. More than once or twice, the applicants have such near-perfect backgrounds that Sandy admits to being stumped by the decisions of an admissions committee.

Before you allow an MBA rejection to harm your self-esteem, you need to understand that many truly amazing candidates to highly selective MBA programs are almost always turned down. Admission officials generally believe that as much as 80% of their applicant pools are fully qualified to attend their schools and do well, yet they can accept only a small fraction of the pool.

IVY LEAGUERS, GOOGLE, M/B/B, FORTUNE 500 & 780 GMATS–ALL REJECTED

Consider the 28-year-old American male who scored a 730 GMAT on his first try and has an Ivy League degree plus Google on his resume, along with a VC-funded startup. He was turned down by Harvard, Stanford, UC-Berkeley and MIT Sloan. Or how about the recently promoted senior associate consultant who boasts a 770 GMAT and a 3.65 undergraduate GPA in electrical engineering. The 25-year-old was rejected without interviews by both Harvard and Stanford.

Worse, there’s the applicant with five years in management consulting in the pharma industry for Fortune 500 companies who took the GRE and has the equivalent of a 780 GMAT score. The 29-year-old Indian male was rejected from seven different schools, including Virginia, Dartmouth, MIT Sloan, Duke, UCLA, and Northwestern Kellogg.

And then there’s the guy who just keeps trying. He has applied to Harvard Business School for the past three years. Twice rejected without an interview, he finally got one, only to be put on the waitlist for a month before getting his third ding in a row. He’s now 31-year-old, with a master’s degree from H/Y/P (Harvard/Yale/Princeton) in public health and a year and one half at one of the top three global consulting firms M/B/B (McKinsey, Bain, BCG).

Should he try one more time? It’s not as farfetched as you might think. One in ten students in last year’s incoming class had been rejected by Harvard when they first applied. The school has revealed that 94 of the 937 first year students in the Class of 2017 had been turned down for admission.

 

Mr. Ivy League

 

  • 730 GMAT on first try
  • 3.4 GPA
  • Undergraduate degree in environmental studies/science from an Ivy League school
  • Work experience includes two and one-half years at Google; two and one-half years at a 50-person venture capital-funded startup in a partnership role; no “promotion” but strong performance reflected by salary and equity bumps as well as recs from VP and CEO (both of whom I worked closely with); also work as an independent marketing consultant following my experience at Google, self employed.
  • Extracurricular involvement as a varity sport captain and NCAA qualified; involved in multiple other activities on campus while working multiple part-time jobs
  • Goal: To move into clean tech
  • “MIT interview I thought went relatively well. Maybe not home run but was conversational, asked a lot of the behavioral questions you would expect. Example of a time a project didn’t go your way, how did you navigate an ambiguous situation, why mba/why MIT, no real curve balls”
  • 28-year-old white American male

Dings:

ULCA (Anderson) Waitlisted after interview
UC-Berkeley (Haas)-Denied without interivew
Harvard-Denied without interview
Stanford-Denied without interview
MIT (Sloan)-Denied after interview

Sandy’s Analysis: Grrrr, it’s hard to say exactly where you went wrong, but you could be a poster boy for what schools really care about vs. what they say they care about.

WHAT THEY REALLY CARE ABOUT–AND WAS SO-SO WITH YOU
1. GPA!!!!!
2. BLUE CHIP EMPLOYMENT VS. START-UPS AND SELF EMPLOYMENT

WHAT THEY DON’T CARE ABOUT—AND WAS STRONG WITH YOU:
1. BEING CAPTAIN OF VARSITY TEAM AND NCAA QUALIFIER
2. Involved in multiple other extra curricular activities on campus, worked multiple part time jobs
3. Outside of work as a volunteer undergrad alumni interviewer, captain of a soccer team, triathlon, mountaineering

Sorry to be so harsh, but above, mixed into the salad of your total application is what sunk you, in various ways at various schools.
The real spoiler here was going self-employed from Google then joining a start-up and then somehow needing to apply to B-school, when, in fact, working at a VC-funded start-up is the DREAM of many post MBAs.

Your post-MBA goal to move into clean tech could also have been a problem. Unless prior jobs were in clean tech, this is sort of a generic wet dream stuff for a solid, white boy, with low grades, who is a real nice, athletic guy like you. And that is how this got “read” by the adcom ladies.

Your Berk ding with no interview is a bit surprising. I would not say other results were certain, but I am not surprised. Applying to business school from a start-up is harder than it might sound. You would have had better outcomes applying from Google after two years or sticking it out there until you got in.

I find your story and outcomes deeply confirming many of my “SK truths” about the process.

 

Ms. CPG

 

  • 710 GMAT
  • 7.29/10 GPA
  • Undergraduate degree from NIFT, India’s No. 1 fashion institute
  • Work experience includes more than two years as a jewelry designer who helped to launch India’s largest jewelry brand in the U.S.; co-founder of a design consulting firm, and 3.5 years with a boutique consulting firm serviing the retail and CPG sectors
  • Extracurricular involvement as a volunteer for the Ministry of Rural Development, helping to train 200+ rural women artisans in India to create self-employment opportunities for them; also saved a 700 years old craft from extinction by earning it patent protection through the World Trade Organization
  • Short-term goal: To transition to product management for a CPG company
  • Long-term goal: To start a health foods brand & launch internationally
  • Applied with changed goals and changed recommenders in second round to UCLA, Texas-Austin, and London Business School
  • “My Kellogg interviewer said ‘admissions is a black-box’ and couldn’t comment on what was lacking in my application. H“What are my chances of applying to schools like Kellogg and Tuck next year? I would be 32 at matriculation – how much will that hurt my chances of admission? What else can I do to improve my profile?”
  • 30-year-old Indian female

Dings:

Kellogg—Denied after interview
Duke—Denied without itnerview
Michigan—Denied without interview
Wharton—Denied without interview
UCLA—Denied without interview
Texas-Austin—Admitted without scholarship
London Business School—Denied without interview

Sandy’s Analysis: Lots going on here, and I am glad you changed your story and rec writers for the second round of applications.

My first advice is to drop this: “Long term goal – start own health foods brand and launch internationally.” HUH, you got enough odd, off-track, save the world, restless-soul, struggling-to-be-free jive in this story already. Just say you want to do product management at a CPG company and sound like you are comfy working for blue chip CPG companies for the rest of your life and want to be a leader/CEO of one, etc.

Stop being feisty and start being boring! What have you said to UT Austin? Will they defer admission? If not, one could make the case to go there, after you do some homework about outcomes for people like you there with your background

Reapply to Kellogg and see if you can get any feedback from the interviewer (who you say was in favor of your admission. Ha ha, they all say that, or don’t talk to you!). When you were told that admissions is a black box, does he know and is not willing to share or does he now know because admissions is so confusing and random and unknown to mere mortals? It is a black box. Anyway, had that person suggested reapplying after your post ding call?

I think your chances at Duke and Ross will be lots better with an improved and normalized application. By that, I mean to make very normal goals about working in consumer product goods and allow them to emerge from your experience. Make that your only goal and create a short-term and long-term statement consistent with that.

 

 

以上内容摘自:

http://poetsandquants.com/2016/04/20/2016-ding-report-great-applicants-get-rejected/ 

 

 

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