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留学参考:Handicapping Your Elite MBA Odds (17-1)  

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留学参考:Handicapping Your Elite MBA Odds (17-1)


BY: JOHN A. BYRNE & SANDY KREISBERG ON JANUARY 24, 2016

 

 

After working for a couple of Fortune 100 companies, this 25-year-old African-American now has a marketing role in a venture capital-backed startup. She hopes to get an MBA to help her transition into a marketing leadership position at a major high tech company.

After spending two years as an i-banker at a well-known boutique M&A firm, he has worked in corporate development for a Fortune 500 company for the past three years. With a 740 GMADT and a 3.95 grade point average in accounting, this 26-year-old wants to go to business school to become a partner in a private equity firm or the CEO of a Fortune 100 company.

This 23-year-old is back in college after a break during which he launched a pawn shop with two friends, growing the business into more than 15 employees, with five locations and more than $2 million in annual revenue. With a 740 GMAT, he’s hoping he can get into a business school to eventually become a consultant–despite his very unusual background.

What these applicants share in common is the goal to get into one of the world’s best business schools. Do they have the raw stats and experience to get in? Or will they get dinged by their dream schools?

Sanford “Sandy” Kreisberg, founder of MBA admissions consulting firm HBSGuru.com, is back again to analyze these and a few other profiles of actual MBA applicants who have shared their vital statistics, work backgrounds and career goals withPoets&Quants.

As usual, Kreisberg handicaps each potential applicant’s odds of getting into a top-ranked business school. If you include your own stats and characteristics in the comments, we’ll pick a few more and have Kreisberg assess your chances in a follow-up feature to be published shortly. Now that the round one and round two deadlines are over, Sandy will be appearing more regularly. (Please add your age and be clear on the sequence of your jobs in relaying work experience. Make sure you let us know your current job.)

 

Ms. Fortune 100

 

  • 700-710 GMAT (expected)
  • 3.9 GPA
  • Undergraduate degree in business and journalism from a private university in Texas
  • Full business school quant course load, including economics, statistics, calculus, accounting and finance courses
  • Work experience includes one year in a marketing/leadership development program at a Fortune 100 company and six months in business development at another Fortune 100 tech company; currently work in marketing at a venture capital-backed startup and will have been in this job for two and one-half years by matriculation
  • Extracurricular involvement as a highly accompished D1 college athlete who represented Team U.S.A. at international competition, multiple All-American honors; vice president of an ethnic-identity organization post-college, VP of sorority in college, captain of D1 college athletics team; volunteer and mentor at a domestic violence shelter throughout college, and post-college (GED/job-readiness training for youth from low-income areas)
  • Goal: To return to the tech industry in a marketing leadership role, eventually becoming a CMO
  • 25-year-old African-American female

Odds of Success:

Harvard: 40% to 50%
Stanford: 30% to 40%
Berkeley: 50%+
Chicago: 50%+
Northwestern: 50%+
Texas: 60%+

Sandy’s Analysis: This is on track at HSW and other places too! LOTS!!!! to like, all around. Just to summarize:

–25 year old African-American female,–3.9 at D-1 private school in Texas (just guessing here: Baylor, Rice, Texas A&M, SMU?)

–NO GMAT but you think  ~700 is possible (my advice, keep taking til you get that)

–Blue-chip-ish work history

–Lots of leadership, ” VP of ethnic-identity organization post-college, VP of sorority in college, captain of D1 college athletics team . . . .” In college, domestic violence shelter, mentoring and post-college, GED/job-readiness training for youth from low-income areas.”

Get that ~700 GMAT, even you have to take it two to times.?

This is a real strong profile with a solid GPA at D-1 school, and extras, and experience in Fortune 100 companies as well as VC-backed start-up, and  leadership as team leader and as a volunteer. Your story is has a clear path leading to plausible goals. It might be more fruitful to discuss ways you will NOT get in. I am assuming serviceable recos written by people who have done this before.

Stanford: this is sorta a bullet-proof profile for Stanford since they are always on the look-out for African-American females and you do more than meet them half-way. This is the kind of profile where you could probably get in despite essays, if it came down to it. But just for the record, try writing some Stanford-y self development jive for Essay A, along lines of “finding myself in different contexts is important to me etc.  . . .” And then give examples from five contexts– growing up, team leader, athlete, mentor, start-up employee etc. where you had some event that led to a self-revelation blah, blah. The Stanford interview, with an alum, is not that important. You would really have to do something radical to blow that.

HBS: Again, you are probably bullet-proof on essay, and just need to introduce yourself in some clear and informative way.

“Hi, I’m Jane Blow, I was an athlete at D-1 College in Texas and then worked at Jobs 1 2 3 after graduating in 20xx.

Some of the most influential events on that path were one through five and let me fill in my story–and tell you my goals– by telling you about them.”

800 words, The End.

HBS, unlike Stanford, does take the interview super seriously. You could blow that by appearing scripted, not in the flow, inarticulate (to some major degree) or just ‘out of it.’ If that happened, as much as it pained them, they might ding you, or more likely put you on the dreaded waitlist and see what their URM needs were. It would be real, real, real hard given your background, but it could happen. They have dinged some amazing people based on interview screw-ups, and the screw-ups have often been subtle, not jaw-dropping. The HBS interview process is scary, even for THEM. As attractive a candidate as you are, if you came off as lecturing, or rehearsed, or stiff, well, jeepers, they are so avid about using the interview as a filter for case method competency, they might actually fall on their swords and ding you. Even the otherwise deeply reasonable Dee Leopold has drunk the Kool-Aid on this.

Haas, Booth, Kellogg, McCombs: Phew, Booth may wonder why you are applying and may sniff out that they are a back-up school, especially if your GMAT Q is low. Kellogg would have their “We-are-not-your-first-choice” radar up, so you would need to show both interest and do some homework about why them. Man, Kellogg would super go for a profile like this and they might throw you lots of money. Same at Haas and McCombs.

You could make life easier for everyone if you made sure to get close to 80% on Quant GMAT, although you do say that you took a full quant course load as an undergraduate.

 

Mr. Intelligence Officer

 

  • 690 GMAT
  • 3.5 GPA
  • Undergraduate degree from the University of Wisconsin-Madison
  • 3.8 GPA
  • Masters degree in accounting from the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
  • First generation American, first in the family to earn undergrad and graduate degree
  • Work experience includes three years leading 30 soldiers as a combat arms officer (voted by peers to lead more than 120 soldiers later on); two years as an intelligence officer, working with multiple intelligence agencies and special ops
  • Extracurricular involvement as a volunteer for Teach for America who taught children from economically struggling families; helped organize volunteer events for Beta Alpha Psi on campus, including helping disabled soliders
  • Goal: To pivot toward impactful consulting
  • 29-year-old Jewish-Asian male

Odds of Success:

Harvard: 20% to 25%
Stanford: 15%
Wharton: 20% to 30%
MIT: 20% to 30%
Chicago: 20% to 30%
Northwestern: 30%+
Duke: 50%+
Wisconsin: 50%+

Sandy’s Analysis: Here is some tough love: retake the GMAT and try to get closer to 720, even if you need to take it two to three more times.

How come? As often noted, adcoms either cannot or will not appraise military careers, so all the credit you think you deserve for being beloved by your men and superiors, etc. don’t translate as value in this process. Adcoms can and do, however, stand tall and cry and salute the GMAT flag, with much more gusto, love, passion and belief than they ever do the flag of the United States of America.  Given the choice between a silver star or 25 GMAT points, that one is a no brainer for an adcom.

OK, with that toxic but correct squirt of bile out of my system, moving along.

Are you in the military now? And getting out next year, after five years, so this will be a military application?

That would mean the Teach for America gig was not a classic? two-year TFA? in-place teaching gig but something you did as an extracurricular while in the military????  If not, write back and clarify,  but it is unlikely to change my fundamental analysis.

This is pretty straightforward story. You are a white male (Jewish Asian does not really register for application purposes, neither does first generation college, although sure that is essay fodder), military guy with a 690 GMAT, 3.5 GPA from University of Wisconsin – Madison Undergrad and a 3.8 GPA from

– University of Wisconsin – Milwaukee Masters (Accounting).

As often noted, ahem, at the very beginning of this post, business schools are not super capable of “reading” military careers in terms of selectivity and accomplishments except for pilots, special forces, and more generally, any military guy who has been “deployed” to “conflict zones” (I believe that is the correct lingo, e.g. Iraq, Afghanistan, etc).?

Your military career has none of those elements (sorry if you were deployed to conflict zone, but that, according to adcoms, not me, is the least impressive of the three). While what you did do in the military sounds impressive in reality, e.g. “3 years leading 30 Soldiers as a combat arms officer. Was voted by peers to lead over 120 Soldiers later on. Second job: 2 years as an intelligence officer. Worked along side with multiple intelligence agencies and special operations,” it will not move the needle much. If you can capture some of that leadership and those extraordinary accomplishments in a recommendation that could really help. It can also be solid fuel for essays at many schools which ask you to describe accomplishments, alas, an increasingly shrinking number.

Saying you want to “pivot towards impactful consulting” as a goal is perfect. For you and for any other military guy.

Soooo, summing up, what we got here is military “silver plus” and not “gold minus.” How come? Your lowish GPA (3.5), low-ish GMAT (690), better than average extras but no single marquee accomplishment with YOUR NAME ON IT. Although let me say, I am impressed. This is just one of those military applications (of which we have discussed several) where reality is not given full credit by the adcom military algo.

Is it possiblle some adcom officer will see behind the algo here and add back in some extra points for your in-service leadership and very impressive extra-currics???

Maybe, but don’t count on it. They will admit a perfectly banal military guy, a 3.75 GPA and 730 GMAT, ahead of you almost all the time.

I once worked with a guy who spent most of his military career (post West Point) doing tax returns for the enlisted team at Gitmo, at the time, like 15 years ago, a large cohort. He had super strong stats and flew into HBS.

And not to be more devilish than I usually am, but do you think they made a mistake?
For instance, in taking him over someone like you?

One of the strongest parts of this app to business schools is your masters in accounting. To the average adcom, THAT may or may not take leadership, teamwork and innovation blah, blah, but THAT is a very good predictor of business school success. See the profile on the following page of the guy who started a pawn shop — and my analysis of the very most important trait that adcoms really look for, especially when they are not being interviewed by the B-school media.

Another way of saying this, will adcoms lie, misrepresent, and muddy the waters about this basic truth in any public forum where it somehow comes up? E.g. in answer to the popular question, “Do you consider applications holistically or mostly on numbers?”

Hmmmmm, maybe some of our readers who have attended those forums can write in and tell us what they said. It is a perennial question.

What does this mean for you?

I don’t think you are getting into Harvard or Stanford. Those schools got pilots, special forces, and regular military guys with higher GPAs and GMATs .

MIT, Chicago, Northwestern, Duke, UW-Madison?

MIT, might prefer higher numbers.

Chicago ditto, but you are getting warm if someone there credits the extras.

Kellogg could be a match if you check out to them, and they may give you extra credit for the intangibles. They are a school more likely to do that.

Duke should happen, with a serviceable application. They are pro-military.

UW-Madison, ditto.

Sandy’s once-again tough love sign-off: Retake the GMAT. The clowns reading your application really understand and deeply credit 700+ GMAT scores and so do the brass they report to.

 

 

 

 

以上内容摘自:

http://poetsandquants.com/2016/01/24/50332/ 

 

 

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